tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post4688684131416438294..comments2023-11-05T12:41:31.171+00:00Comments on The Kneeler: The sins of the Fathers...Angela Shier-Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14293459698056190963noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-64273593840173538192011-06-23T21:20:08.938+01:002011-06-23T21:20:08.938+01:00Angela, two things...
Thank you for your comment:...Angela, two things...<br /><br />Thank you for your comment:<br /><br />"...that the laity can baptise and preside over the Lord's table without either acts losing their sacramentality or efficacy before You. "<br /><br />and your response to Adam.<br /><br />It seems bizarre that ecumenical reasons linked to a denomination that has frequent availability of eucharistic worship Angelahttp://emergingtree.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-20527969071938499442011-06-23T07:34:58.515+01:002011-06-23T07:34:58.515+01:00Chris
I am happy to accept your point about the &#...Chris<br />I am happy to accept your point about the 'what sort of Bishops' report - but a fuller more positive slant was provided in its precursor, episcope and episcopacy. The 'What sort of Bishops' report ended up being hijacked by two other reports - 'what is a Superintendent' and 'the nature of oversight'. in the end I suspect it just had too many agendas to Angela Shier-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14293459698056190963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-48860480283692901562011-06-22T23:32:21.381+01:002011-06-22T23:32:21.381+01:00Angela, my own thoughts on this issue echo yours. ...Angela, my own thoughts on this issue echo yours. I too am "tired of being told that the Methodist Church once claimed that it was willing to take the historic episcope into its system." Considering the problems some of my UMC friends in the US and Philippines have with their bishops, I am increasingly convinced this is not a direction we ought to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-69656617021639811432011-06-22T22:35:20.212+01:002011-06-22T22:35:20.212+01:00Hi Angela,
Thanks for your fascinating and challe...Hi Angela,<br /><br />Thanks for your fascinating and challenging post.<br /><br />I was intrigued by your by this sentence:<br /><br />"...that the laity can baptise and preside over the Lord's table without either acts losing their sacramentality or efficacy before You. "<br /><br />I am a local preacher and I was under the impression that I was not able to lead communion, is thisAdam Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01236333562032548548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-33290682385042016272011-06-21T17:04:14.538+01:002011-06-21T17:04:14.538+01:00Angela - I think the problem was in the paper '...Angela - I think the problem was in the paper 'What Sort of Bishops?' - it did not do justice to the arguments for Bishops, which didn't really help either side of the debate. If the case for had been clearly made and it had been turned down, we would have a decision. But the case wasn't made in the paper and so the negative response was to a poorly stated case. So, we did not Chris Sissonshttp://ecumenicalissues.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-53785466811321729112011-06-21T09:54:59.464+01:002011-06-21T09:54:59.464+01:00Presumably then you had a hand in recommending tha...Presumably then you had a hand in recommending that we return to the discussion at some point?! :) I had very little hand in any of it - my view on What Sort of Bishops was "I don't mind where you put them, so long as we have them!"<br /><br />I've just followed this as an ordinary Methodist. I'm a sacramentalist and as I began to discern a vocation to ordained ministry, I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-20852435789255472922011-06-21T07:08:50.564+01:002011-06-21T07:08:50.564+01:00Mark,
Thank you for your comments, and I note your...Mark,<br />Thank you for your comments, and I note your emphasis. I was present at that Conference, but perhaps more importantly was a member of the two working parties that produced the two major reports on Episcope and episcopacy and 'What sort of Bishops'. Chris is correct, there is no consensus in the Church on this issue but, as the responses from circuits and Districts showed, when Angela Shier-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14293459698056190963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-88651298493247254672011-06-20T22:41:48.544+01:002011-06-20T22:41:48.544+01:00Where I find it difficult to square the circle is ...Where I find it difficult to square the circle is that I cannot for the life of me see the point of bishops, and the policies of the Church of England on many things drive me to even more distraction than the policies of the Methodist Church. However, in our local situation the sharing of resources and traditions across denominations is a real driver of mission and community involvement. With Ian Howarthhttp://thehowarths.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-361280476581433122011-06-20T22:23:03.683+01:002011-06-20T22:23:03.683+01:00Thank you Angela. My mind has been on other things...Thank you Angela. My mind has been on other things tonight (see my blog) but I would have written exactly this post had I been able.<br /><br />I hope many more read it.John Cooperhttp://www.johncooper.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-49037553464169700972011-06-20T22:03:25.027+01:002011-06-20T22:03:25.027+01:00Thanks for this Angela, I'll put a link on Met...Thanks for this Angela, I'll put a link on Methodist Ecumenical News. <br /><br />The key date for me was 1989 when the Swanwick Declaration put an end to dreams of full visible unity. The problem is it seems to me we have not found an approach to replace fvu and so some traditions carry on with it. Reconciled diversity and receptive ecumenism have been attempts to fill this void but don&#Chris Sissonshttp://ecumenicalissues.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-35266804634099649542011-06-20T18:49:18.226+01:002011-06-20T18:49:18.226+01:00The recommendations of the report that Conference ...The recommendations of the report that Conference adopted in 2007 said:<br /><br />4.7.1 The Conference does not <b>at this point</b> take any steps towards embracing the historic episcopate.<br />4.7.2 No major discussion on this is entered into at the 2007 Conference.<br />4.7.3 It be recognised that <b>it is inappropriate</b>, in the light both of the Methodist Church’s Covenant relationship Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com