tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post818923546889710903..comments2023-11-05T12:41:31.171+00:00Comments on The Kneeler: British Methodists Ltd.Angela Shier-Joneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14293459698056190963noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-71443263165208731382011-03-31T12:19:35.552+01:002011-03-31T12:19:35.552+01:00Richard
No,you do not.
And I share your sentiment...Richard<br />No,you do not. <br />And I share your sentiment.<br /><br />Sorry for not moderating it but I confess I have learned the hard way that trying to respond/moderate David's worst comments - gets nasty very quickly.<br /><br />Your own blog is well known as a place for good interactive theological discussion for Christians in general and Methodists in particular - and ALWAYS worth a Angela Shier-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14293459698056190963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-89434599218818901552011-03-31T12:01:18.805+01:002011-03-31T12:01:18.805+01:00>> "one only needs to read the Connexio...>> <i>"one only needs to read the Connexions blog to see how, for some, faith is a game and the church little more than a playground for grown ups"</i><br /><br />Do I need to say how strongly I resent that?Richard Hallhttp://theconnexion.net/wp/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-50750376852879968932011-03-30T08:53:36.293+01:002011-03-30T08:53:36.293+01:00Susan,
thank you for your comment - though I am sa...Susan,<br />thank you for your comment - though I am sad to read it. I guess we are far from perfect as a Church. I would want to echo what you have said about sacred and secular working together - but the balance has to be right.<br />We once had a wonderful belief in the priesthood of all believers.. its not too late to reclaim and proclaim it.<br />I wish you well in your role - and pray that Angela Shier-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14293459698056190963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-3736838360041750372011-03-30T08:51:57.708+01:002011-03-30T08:51:57.708+01:00Thanks Corin, Readers may be a little confused by ...Thanks Corin, Readers may be a little confused by your comment. To set it in context it is a response to my own post http://methodistpreacher.blogspot.com/2011/03/cpd-is-actually-worth-read.html<br /><br />Let me reassure you that I fully accept that revivals of the past and revivals of the future will be the sovereign work of God.<br /><br />However I believe that such a move requires a Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05295136895729093238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-65849345331894721052011-03-30T08:26:08.378+01:002011-03-30T08:26:08.378+01:00mmmm dear God I wonder why the church is in such a...mmmm dear God I wonder why the church is in such a mess that others are being called upon, others who also seek the spirit of God and his guidance.Why God, have our presbyters throughout my life time not encouraged me to be a discple and follower of Jesus but have often just done evrything themsleves. In my life time in church I have come across only one presbyter, as my local minister, who Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-38330672788820577202011-03-30T00:53:02.883+01:002011-03-30T00:53:02.883+01:00Methodist Preacher, your ideology is getting in th...Methodist Preacher, your ideology is getting in the way of historical fact. The Evangelical Movement was led by many dedicated ministers, some of whom remained in the C. of E. and some of whom did not. The people flocked to hear them preach the Word. The people have never started a move of the Spirit. A few dedicated individuals have always been used by God.<br /><br />As to structure, some Corin Keiler-Lloydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-81571537896805035202011-03-29T15:12:26.624+01:002011-03-29T15:12:26.624+01:00So you don't see a "bottom up" solut...So you don't see a "bottom up" solution? That is precisely how the great moves of the Spirit created Methodism in the first place. <br /><br /><br />The original Wesley connexion, the Primitives and the Bible Christians all happened because the Spirit moved among grass roots individual congregations.<br /><br />Much as I feel (and blog) that parts of the church are simply not Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05295136895729093238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-35516753341693531312011-03-29T14:30:17.389+01:002011-03-29T14:30:17.389+01:00David,
thank you for your post, but the problem is...David,<br />thank you for your post, but the problem is not synod based, it is Connexion wide. I fully expect good conversation, fellowship and stimulation at Synod, but I despair at the idea of chief executives, super supers and assistant chairs when we already have three!<br />Simon - the difference is of course that Wesley's pragmatism was in service to the Gospel (there's no way we Angela Shier-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14293459698056190963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-32948180097697288722011-03-29T12:27:58.890+01:002011-03-29T12:27:58.890+01:00We have a structure and procedure created to manag...We have a structure and procedure created to manage a much bigger denomination than we are today. Part of our problem is that we have become too centred on the person of the Minister. We give the game away when we appoint "District enablers" for this and that. To me this suggests that our real full time resource - ministers - are "disablers". Regretfully that is an impression Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05295136895729093238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-65196967523548814502011-03-29T12:10:44.805+01:002011-03-29T12:10:44.805+01:00In an ideal world, I agree with every word of this...In an ideal world, I agree with every word of this. The problem is when things go wrong. When a minister becomes a bully, what structures are there to manage their behaviour, when 'watching over in love' is not enough? Can you really have proper discussions on the payment of Lay employees on the floor of circuit meeting, without a Circuit leadership team having done some of the work firstIan Howarthhttp://thehowarths.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-6315123600813405992011-03-29T10:56:11.432+01:002011-03-29T10:56:11.432+01:00Hang on, hang on, trend *towards* business methods...Hang on, hang on, trend *towards* business methods and ideas? I am not an expert (or a Methodist) but my understanding is that this has always been the Methodist tradition - ever since Wesley set up "Societies" along the lines of the mutual societies, the credit unions of his day. <br /><br />What would Wesley think of appropriating secular organisational patterns in building his churchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-61685321765357847202011-03-29T09:11:11.648+01:002011-03-29T09:11:11.648+01:00Completely agree with you about the incessant (and...Completely agree with you about the incessant (and useless) trend towards business methods and ideas in the Methodist Church at the moment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-72955559903525123182011-03-29T09:06:02.721+01:002011-03-29T09:06:02.721+01:00It's not often I post on your blog Angie ...
...It's not often I post on your blog Angie ...<br /><br />But on this occasion I just want to say that our synod yesterday in the Darlington District was filled with watching over one another in Love, filled with conversation about Discipleship with Neil Hudson from the LICC and those of us who were at different stages on our journey (being accepted for Ordination, sitting down or having died) David Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04624736098611079183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-4865820906695771502011-03-29T08:50:57.837+01:002011-03-29T08:50:57.837+01:00Spot on, as always Angela. We're not quite tha...Spot on, as always Angela. We're not quite that bad in Sheffield... yet, but it seems to be the way we're heading as circuits expand in size and diminish in number.John Simmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16501970239050498930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-608545590914583474.post-14655044015070830022011-03-29T08:50:09.508+01:002011-03-29T08:50:09.508+01:00Thank you Angie- this makes so much sense.
Dear G...Thank you Angie- this makes so much sense.<br /><br />Dear God, please help us to listen.Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01759963926280667938noreply@blogger.com